John Company

Gemini 4 Experiment Debriefing, 1967

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Yeah} this is a unique situation.
He happened to be in a situation where
the earth was beneath and the sun was behind him and there was no light­
ning scattered into his window or anything or at least apparently ther e
wasn't anything.
He didn 't feel there was any and that he bad a good
opportunity.
There ' s only one datum .....
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Two were there when they havc poor days.
Shade on the windows.
You know the stars are there; there ' s no question that they 're up there
and if we make th conditions right we can see them.
Couple times I did see stars or planets or something in the daylight.
I
co~ldn 't tcJl you what they were, what magnitude they were at all.
All I
could t ell you is that as we drifted around some random positions I could
see some sorts of light oming through the window.
I t hink the point that we tried to make also is we have been working on
Apollo and we know that stars and measurement of stars in the daytime and
the lighting conditions are very important.
And on a routine operation
in this matter, the stars weren't there.
This is the observation that I
felt I made and I think we've both been working in (guidance) .
I think
this is whut Jim was driving at also.
I was looking for them in the day­
time becau::;
I wanted to sc th m out there in the daytime; I didn't want
l,O sec th m 'ln a cloud (Apollo' ).
But they weren't there to the extent
that J wm.uu 11 ke t,o bt.1.vc seen.
As n. mnttr-r o.l' fttct thnt was one or the reA.l surprise s we bad.
They just
uren ' t out th<:r..
At lea.st they wer n 't out there in the configuration
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You t .ca pnnsing star of a 1st or 2nd magnitude out there, that's not
1~o·Lng to <Jn you u bit of good as rnr as anything but saying "O, look, I
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